CONTINUED FROM LAST WEEK
Now talking about the 2.1 billion dollars arms deal, and the
money being shared by some people in what has come to be known as
Dasukigate, how do you feel about it?
I believe that this is where the media should help inform Nigerians
about what is really happening and not by sensationalizing the news. Is
this the first time political party is helping another one to win
election? It is political alliance, and this is how it is done in other
parts of the world. These people – Olu Falae, Ladoja, and others got
this money from their political ally, which is PDP, and even APC the
ruling party, didn’t they receive money from some people during the
election time? Did the party (APC) ask those that gave them money the
source of the money given to them? I’m not supporting corruption, but
there are some money spent during election and campaigning that you
can’t start asking question about the source of the money given to you
to campaign. Take the case of Falae, he got money from Anenih, how would
he know that the money being given to him is taken from the arms money?
We should not mix issues.
And the EFCC has asked these people to refund the monies.
It is not right for the EFCC to say so. As far as I’m concerned,
these people have not committed any crime. EFCC is not the court, let
these men be taken to court, and we should all wait for the court’s
pronouncement on the issue. I’m not in any way supporting corruption,
but what I’m saying is that it is wrong to accuse these people of taking
money from the arms deal money because nobody, including Dasuki, has
come out to tell us that he told these people that he was giving them
all these money from the arms fund. Even, there is no way Falae and
others would have asked for the source of money being given to them in
an election period. My own take on this is that the Federal Government
should follow the rule of law, due process must be followed.
Buhari should be careful in his war against corruption. He should not
be seen to be playing to the gallery. Where real looting of the
national resources is involved, Buhari should not spare anybody, but on
this issue of security fund being shared to politicians, I have my
reservations.
We should not take the issue too far. Even if we care to remember,
is it not from the same fund that Dasuki took money to buy two jeeps for
Buhari? When Dasuki made the revelation, Buhari’s apologists and
defenders quickly came to his rescue by saying that buying the jeeps for
Buhari was his normal entitlement, but they dodged the moral aspect of
the money being taken from the arms fund to buy the jeeps. I hope
Nigerians can read between the lines.
From the arms fund, some politicians were given money to campaign
during an election and that, to the government, was an offence and from
the same arms fund, money was taken to buy jeeps for another individual
and that, to government was not an offence. I believe we should not be
seen to be living in George Orwell’s Animal Farm, where some animals are more equal than others.
It is very unfair to start criticizing Falae and others now. Their
trial by the media is unfortunate. Most media organisations are now
making fortunes out of publishing stories on Falae and others, but it is
unfair. Let these people be taken to court, and let court determine
their fates. Buhari should not give the impression that his opponents
are being persecuted under the guise of waging war against corruption.
Should former President Goodluck Jonathan be invited for
questioning over this arms fund scandal because Dasuki and others
linked to the scandal have been mentioning his name?
Jonathan can be invited, there is no limit to anybody that can be
questioned but EFCC should be careful in whatever action it takes. For
instance, you invite somebody for questioning on issues relating to
corruption and corrupt practices, and at the end of the day, you
discover that the person is innocent, although you have asked the person
to go, the damage has already been done as you have maligned that
person for ever.
If they are inviting Jonathan, no problem; he can be invited, but
doing so will be setting a dangerous precedent. You only know the
beginning of an action; you never know where it will end. I’m not
defending or supporting Jonathan, but EFCC must be very careful on
Jonathan’s invitation. His invitation may open a pandora box, which may
eventually lead to the indictment or questioning of some others that
were in his position before or are even there now. As the saying goes,
you don’t throw stones when you know that you live in a glass house.
Again, this is the first time, to the best of my knowledge, that
questions will be raised on how money relating to security is used.
Buhari was there before as Head of State. Did anybody raise questions,
or asked him how security funds were disbursed during his tenure? As I
said earlier, this is the first time people are probing security fund;
it is a dangerous precedent.
Now again, Buhari is making a mistake, as all his attention is
directed against corruption. But does that put food on the table of an
average Nigerian? There are other sectors like education, health and
infrastructure that require his attention are not receiving due
attention now.
The impression APC gave us was that it has direction and focus on
policy for every sector, while campaigning for power. But now that their
party is in power, what have they done?
It appears as it APC doesn’t have a roadmap for solving or
confronting various challenges. Having a roadmap will help APC to have a
focus and that is why some people have accused Buhari of running an
inconclusive government.
But on a personal note sir, do you believe in President Buhari’s ability to tackle the myriad of woes confronting Nigeria?
I believe he has the capacity to solve the problems, but the problem
with Buhari is that he is not sincere. He is not truly committed to
change. The best solution or what I will call panacea for Nigeria’s
problem, is the implementation of the National Conference
recommendations. The confab recommendations provides natural solution to
series of problems confronting Nigeria, but you must remember that from
day one, Buhari and APC leaders have vowed not to have anything to do
with the confab set up by Jonathan’s government. But are Buhari and his
co-travellers in APC genuine patriots? No. They are not. If they were,
they would support any document that will move Nigeria forward. The
confab is not about Jonathan; it is about Nigeria.
Buhari and APC want the status quo to remain because the present
federal arrangement is lopsided in favour of the North. But let me
quickly add here that we are only postponing the evil day if we fail to
implement those confab recommendations, because they address a lot of
flaws that are inherent in our present federal structure. Looking at
renewed agitations for Sovereign State of Biafra and pockets of other
crises here and there, they may snowball into bigger conflagration that
may threaten the corporate existence of Nigeria.
A word, they say, is enough for the wise. Nigerians should ask Buhari
and APC leaders why they don’t want to implement the confab’s
recommendations. As the saying goes, those who make peaceful change
impossible, make violent change inevitable. Buhari, on a personal note,
is a good man, but is a wrong choice as Nigerian leader. He has not
disguised his preference for a section of the country, which is the
North, and it is not in the best interest of the country.
On a parting note, let me quickly add that former President Goodluck
Jonathan is a good man that has good intentions, but he was surrounded
by many evil and corrupt people. He could have performed, and one of the
good things I believe he did was the National Conference he organised.
History will remember him for this. However, it is unfortunate that
Buhari and APC leaders are bent on dumping its report and
recommendations.
It was alleged that some months ahead of 2015 presidential election, that you and some Afenifere leaders
were ‘settled’ by former President Goodluck Jonathan, and that was why
you campaigned against President Muhammadu Buhari, how far is it true?
That is why I have always been saying that media men should do more
of investigative journalism. Shouldn’t the media have conducted their
own independent investigations? I challenge anybody that has any
evidence linking me or any of the Afenifere leaders collecting money or being settled in any form by Jonathan, to come out with evidence.
I campaigned against Buhari because of his anti-democratic traits. I
like him as a person, and I have nothing personal against him. My
disagreement with Buhari is on the basis of principle. He was a
dictator, when he was Military Head of State and even as a civilian
president now, he has been exhibiting that trait of disdain for the rule
of law. A leopard can’t change its spots. Buhari has not shown any
sign of readiness to abandon dictatorship, and as long as he remains a
dictator, I can’t admire him and that’s why I didn’t vote for him and I
have no regret for doing that.
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